Friday 12 October 2012

The ideal wives

وسائل الشيعة (آل البيت) للحر العاملي (١١٠٤ هـ) الجزء٢٠ صفحة٥٦

Wasail al Shia by Shaikh Hurr al Amili (1104 AH), Volume 20 Page 56

ـ باب استحباب اختيار السمراء العجزاء العيناء المربوعة للتزويج
(1) أي يضرب لونها إلى الحمرة. (الفيروزآبادي).
(2) واسعة العين. (الفيروزآبادي).
(3) عظيمة كبيرة الأليتين. (الفيروزآبادي).
(4) متوسطة قامتها. (الفيروزآبادي).

العيناء: الواسعة العين مع سوادها، والعجزاء: العظيمة العجز والأليتين، والمربوعة: من لم تكن طويلة ولا قصيرة
توضيح : العيناء هي واسعة العين , والعجزاء هي عظيمة العجز, والمربوعة هي المتوسطة الطول
 عيناء: العظيم سواد عينها في سعة، عجزاء:
العظيمة العجز، مربوعة: بين الطويلة والقصيرة. (في)

(4)  - (5) امرأة عيناء حسنة العينين واسعتهما - امرأة عجزاء أي ذات عجز - عظمت عجزها - مجمع.
(6) المربوعة: المتوسطة وهي ما بين الطويلة والقصيرة


Section on the desirability of choosing the woman who has a white and rosy skin complexion, big and round (well shaped) hips and buttocks, large beautiful black eyes, and is moderately tall for marriage.
 
[ 25023 ] 1 ـ محمد بن يعقوب ، عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى ، عن مالك ابن اشيم ، عن بعض رجاله ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : قال أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) : تزوجوا سمراء عيناء عجزاء مربوعة فإن كرهتها فعلي مهرها .
وعن عدة من أصحابنا ، عن سهل بن زياد ، عن بكر بن صالح ، عن مالك بن أشيم ، نحوه ) .
ورواه الشيخ بإسناده عن محمد بن يعقوب ) .
  ورواه الصدوق مرسلا
   
[25023] 1- Muhammad b. Ya'qoob, from Muhammad b. Yahya, from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Isa, from Malik b. Ashim, from some of his men, from Abi Abdillah (as) who said: Imam Ali (as) said: "Marry the woman who has a white and rosy skin complexion (i.e. is neither dark skinned, nor pale, but has a good and healthy skin complexion), large beautiful black eyes, big and round (well shaped) hips and buttocks, and is moderately tall (i.e. neither too short nor too tall). So if the suitor is troubled (unable to afford the dowry) then upon me is the mehr (dowry)."

And a similar hadith was reported from a group among our (Shaikh Kulaini's) companions, from Sahl b. Ziyad, from Bakr b. Salih, from Malik b. Ashim.

And Shaikh Tusi also reported this hadith with his isnad from Muhammad b. Ya'qoob.

And Shaikh Sadooq reported it in mursal fashion in Man la Yahduruhul Faqih. 

Grading

Ayatullah Sistani (Qa'ida la darar Page 87-88): Sahih
Ayatullah Khomeini: Sahih
Ayatullah Fadil Lankarani: Sahih
Ayatullah Muhammad Sadiq al Sadr (Al Shia Page 127-128): Sahih
Ayatullah Naeni (Mu'jam rijal Vol 1 page 81 and Durus Tamhidiyah): Sahih
Ayatullah Abu Talb Tabrizi (Mu'jam al Mahasin Page 17): Sahih 
Muhaqqiq Karaki (Jami' al Maqasid, Vol 12 Page 12): Sahih
Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Muhadith Noori (Khatimah Al Mustadrak Vol 3 Page 363): Sahih 
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih

[ 25024 ] 2 ـ وعنهم ، عن سهل ، عن أحمد بن محمد بن أبي نصر ، عن عبدالله بن المغيرة ، عن أبي الحسن ( عليه السلام ) ، قال : سمعته يقول : عليكم بذوات الأوراك فإنّهنّ أنجب .
ورواه الشيخ بإسناده ( عن الحسن بن محبوب ) عن معاوية بن حكيم ، عن أحمد بن محمد بن أبي نصر ، مثله ) .

" الأوراك" جمع الورك بالفتح و الكسر و ككتف و هي ما فوق الفخذ
و قال الفيروزآبادي:
الورك‏
 (5): ما فوق الفخذ

[25024] 2- And from them, from Sahl, from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Abi Nusr, from Abdullah b. al Mughirah, who said: I heard Abi al Hasan (as) say: "You should marry the women with large round (well shaped) hips and buttocks for indeed they are the most child bearing ones."

And Shaikh Tusi reported similar hadith by his isnad from Al Hasan b. Mahboob, from Muawiyah b. Hakim, from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Abi Nasr.

Grading

Ayatullah Muhammad Sadiq al Sadr (Al Shia Page 127-128): Sahih
Ayatullah Naeni (Mu'jam rijal Vol 1 page 81 and Durus Tamhidiyah): Sahih
Ayatullah Abu Talb Tabrizi (Mu'jam al Mahasin Page 17): Sahih
Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Muhadith Noori (Khatimah Al Mustadrak Vol 3 Page 363): Sahih 
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih

 [ 25025 ] 3 ـ وعن الحسين بن محمد ، عن معلى بن محمد ، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عبدالله قال : قال لي الرضا ( عليه السلام ) : إذا نكحت فانكح عجزاء

[25025] 3- And from Al Hussain b. Muhammad, from Mu'alla b. Muhammad, from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Abdullah who said: Imam al Reda (as) said to me: "When you marry, then marry the woman with big and round (well shaped) hips and buttocks."

 Grading

Ayatullah Muhammad Sadiq al Sadr (Al Shia Page 127-128): Sahih
Ayatullah Naeni (Mu'jam rijal Vol 1 page 81 and Durus Tamhidiyah): Sahih
Ayatullah Abu Talb Tabrizi (Mu'jam al Mahasin Page 17): Sahih
Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Muhadith Noori (Khatimah Al Mustadrak Vol 3 Page 363): Sahih 
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih .

أقول : وتقدم ما يدل على بعض المقصود، ويأتي ما يدل عليه

I (i.e. Shaikh Hurr al Amili) say: There has also preceded in the previous sections what proves upon some of what has been mentioned in these ahadith, and more is to come to furnish further proof.

19 ـ باب استحباب تزويج المرأة الطيبة الريح الدرماء الكعب


Section on the desirability of marrying the sweet smelling woman with smooth and meaty ankle/shin.

 [ 25026 ] 1 ـ محمد بن يعقوب ، عن عدة من أصحابنا ، عن أحمد بن أبي عبدالله ، عن بعض أصحابنا قال : كان النبي ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) إذا أراد تزويج امرأة بعث من ينظر إليها وقال للمبعوثة : شمي ليتها ، فإن طاب ليتها طاب عرفها (1) ، وانظري كعبها فإن درم كعبها عظم كعثبها
قال في الفقيه: الليت بالكسر صفحة العنق، و العرف: الريح الطيبة، قال اللَّه ‏تعالى وَ يُدْخِلُهُمُ الْجَنَّةَ عَرَّفَها لَهُمْ أي طيبها لهم [و قد قيل إن العرف العود الطيب الريح‏]، و قوله ع: درم كعبها أي كثر لحم كعبها، و يقال امرأة درماء إذا كانت كثيرة لحم القدم، و الكعب، و الكعثب: الفرج
ورواه الصدوق مرسلا ) .
ورواه الشيخ بإسناده عن محمد بن يعقوب ) .
قال الصدوق : الليث : العنق ، والعرف : الريح الطيبة ، ودرم كعبها أى كثر لحم كعبها ، والكعثب : الفرج .

  أقول : وتقدم ما يدل على ذلك

[25026] 1-Muhammad b. Ya'qoob, from a group among our companions, from Ahmad b. Abi Abdillah, from some of our companions who said: "When the Prophet would intend to marry a woman, he would send a woman to look at her and would instruct her: 'Sniff the front of her neck, so if the neck smells good then she would be good (sweet) smelling, and also have a look at her ankle/shin for if it is smooth and meaty then it means her farj is big and wide."

And Shaikh Sadooq reported this hadith in Man La Yahduruhul Faqih in mursal fashion.

And Shaikh Tusi reported this hadith by his isnad from Muhammad b. Ya'qoob.

I (i.e. Shaikh Hurr al Amili) say: There has preceded in previous chapters what evidences upon this.

Grading

Ayatullah Sistani (Qa'ida la darar Page 87-88): Sahih
Ayatullah Khomeini: Sahih
Ayatullah Fadil Lankarani: Sahih
Ayatullah Muhammad Sadiq al Sadr (Al Shia Page 127-128): Sahih
Ayatullah Naeni (Mu'jam rijal Vol 1 page 81 and Durus Tamhidiyah): Sahih
Ayatullah Abu Talb Tabrizi (Mu'jam al Mahasin Page 17): Sahih
Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Muhadith Noori (Khatimah Al Mustadrak Vol 3 Page 363): Sahih 
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih

20 ـ باب استحباب تزويج البيضاء والزرقاء


الزرق أي ذوات العيون الزرقاء و الله أعلم

Section on the desirability of marrying the fair/white skinned and blue eyed women

 [ 25027 ] 1 ـ محمد بن يعقوب ، عن عدة من أصحابنا ، عن سهل بن زياد ، عن بكر بن صالح ، عن بعض أصحابه ، عن أبي الحسن الرضا ( عليه السلام ) قال : من سعادة الرجل أن يكشف الثوب عن امرأة بيضاء

[25027] 1- Muhammad b. Ya'qoob, from a group among our companions, from Sahl b. Ziyad, from Bakr b. Salih, from some of his companions, from Abi al Hasan al Reda (as) who said: "Its from the good fortune of the man that he undress a fair/white skinned woman (i.e. after marrying her, or purchasing her if she is a slave)."

 Grading

Ayatullah Muhammad Sadiq al Sadr (Al Shia Page 127-128): Sahih
Ayatullah Naeni (Mu'jam rijal Vol 1 page 81 and Durus Tamhidiyah): Sahih
Ayatullah Abu Talb Tabrizi (Mu'jam al Mahasin Page 17): Sahih
Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Muhadith Noori (Khatimah Al Mustadrak Vol 3 Page 363): Sahih 
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih
   .
[ 25028 ] 2 ـ وعنهم ، عن أحمد بن أبي عبدالله ، عن أبيه ، عن علي بن النعمان ، عن أخيه داود بن النعمان ، عن أبي أيوب الخراز، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : اني جربت جواري بيضاء وادماء فكان فيهن بون
البون - بالفتح والضم -: المسافة بين الشيئين والخبر يحتمل أن يكون المراد تفضيل البيض والادم معا 
  البون هو الفرق في المقارنة

[25028] 2- And from them, from Ahmad b. Abi Abdillah, from his father, from Ali b. Nu'man, from his brother Dawud b. Nu'man, from Abi Ayyub al Khazzaz, from Abi Abdillah (as) who said: "I tried out two slave girls, a fair/white skinned one and a tanned one, so that there was variety in them."

Grading

Baqir Majlisi (Miratul Uqul Vol 20 Page 27): Sahih
Ayatullah Hadi al Najafi (Mausuah Vol 12 page 337): Mu'tbar (relaible)
 .
[ 25029 ] 3 ـ وعن علي بن إبراهيم ، عن أبيه ، عن النوفلي ، عن السكوني ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : قال رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) : تزوجوا الزرق فإن فيهن اليمن

يحتمل أن يكون الزرق تصحيف للرزق فيكون هذا الحديث بعينه ما مر في آخر باب أن التزويج يزيد في الرزق
 
  ورواه الصدوق مرسلا ، إلا أنه قال : فان لهن البركة

[25029] 3- And from Ali b. Ibrahim, from his father, from al Nofali, from al Sakooni, from Abi Abdillah (as) who said: The Prophet (pbuh) said: "Marry the blue eyed women, for indeed in them is good fortune."

And Shaikh Sadooq reported it in mursal way, with slightly changed words. He reported "for indeed for them is barakah (blessing)".

[*Translator's note: Mulla Faid Kashani had opined that "azraq" (blue) maybe actually a misspelling in the manuscript for "rizq" (sustenance/blessings), so the hadith would mean what's been mentioned in other hadith that "get married to increase rizq". However, I have not found enough supporting evidence for his opinion. Moreover, from Shaikh Hurr al Amili (in Wasail) to Ayatullah Hadi al Najafi (in Mausuah) have understood this hadith to be saying "azraq" (blue) as it is without there being any misspelling for "rizq", as can be seen from their chapter title and footnotes in which they even wrote "zarqa`" (plural of blue thing) making it clear that they understand the hadith to be saying "azraq" (blue).

Also, there is no contradiction regarding this hadith favoring marriage to blue eyed woman and the previous one to large beautiful black eyed one, because for men it is recommended to have lots of wives therefore men should strive to marry both types of women (large beautiful black eyed and blue eyed ones). Overall, from the ahadith it can be seen though that marrying the large beautiful black eyed one (along with the other mentioned traits) is most preferable.

Grading

Ayatullah Sistani (Qa'ida la darar Page 87-88): Sahih
Ayatullah Khomeini: Sahih
Ayatullah Fadil Lankarani: Sahih
Ayatullah Muhammad Sadiq al Sadr (Al Shia Page 127-128): Sahih
Ayatullah Naeni (Mu'jam rijal Vol 1 page 81 and Durus Tamhidiyah): Sahih
Ayatullah Abu Talb Tabrizi (Mu'jam al Mahasin Page 17): Sahih
Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Muhadith Noori (Khatimah Al Mustadrak Vol 3 Page 363): Sahih 
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih

21 ـ باب استحباب تزويج الجميلة الضحوك الحسناء الوجة
الطويلة الشعر


 Section on the desirability of marrying the good looking, cheerful,beautiful faced and long haired woman.

 [ 25030 ] 1 ـ محمد بن يعقوب عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن محمد بن ابي القاسم ، عن أبيه ، رفعه ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) ، قال : المرأة الجميلة تقطع البلغم ، والمرأة السوداء تهيج المرة السوداء

[25030] 1- Muhammad b. Ya'qoob, from Muuhammad b. Yahya, from Muhammad b. Abi al Qasim, from his father, who narrated it in marfoo' manner from Abi Abdillah (as) who said: "The beautiful woman stops/eases the phlegm, while the black woman stirs up black bile and melancholy (depression)."

Grading

Ayatullah Muhammad Sadiq al Sadr (Al Shia Page 127-128): Sahih
Ayatullah Naeni (Mu'jam rijal Vol 1 page 81 and Durus Tamhidiyah): Sahih
Ayatullah Abu Talb Tabrizi (Mu'jam al Mahasin Page 17): Sahih
Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Muhadith Noori (Khatimah Al Mustadrak Vol 3 Page 363): Sahih 
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih

[ 25031 ] 2 ـ وعن الحسين بن محمد ، عن السيّاري ، عن علي بن محمد ، عن محمد بن عبد الحميد ، عن بعض أصحابه ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) ، أنّه شكا إليه البلغم فقال : أما لك جارة تضحك؟ قال : قلت : لا ، قال : فاتخذها فإن ذلك يقطع البلغم

[25031] 2- And from Al Hussain b. Muhammad, from Al Sayyari, from Ali b. Muhammad, from Ali b. Muhammad, from Muhammad b. Abdul Hamid, from some of his companions, from Abi Abdilllah (as) that he (narrator) complained to him (as) of phlegm. So the Imam (as) asked: "Do you have a jolly slave girl? I said: "No." Imam said: "So purchase one, for indeed she stops/eases the phlegm."

Grading

Ayatullah Muhammad Sadiq al Sadr (Al Shia Page 127-128): Sahih
Ayatullah Naeni (Mu'jam rijal Vol 1 page 81 and Durus Tamhidiyah): Sahih
Ayatullah Abu Talb Tabrizi (Mu'jam al Mahasin Page 17): Sahih
Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Muhadith Noori (Khatimah Al Mustadrak Vol 3 Page 363): Sahih 
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih 

[ 25032 ] 3 ـ محمد بن علي بن الحسين قال : قال ( عليه السلام ) : إذا أراد أحدكم أن يتزوج فليسأل عن شعرها كما يسأل عن وجهها ، فإنّ الشعر أحد الجمالين

[25032] 3-  Muhammad b. Ali b. al Hussain who said: Imam (as) said: "When one of you intends to marry, then inquire about the woman's hair, just as you would ask about her face, for indeed the hair are one of the beautiful assets."

Grading

Ayatullah Muhammad Sadiq al Sadr (Al Shia Page 127-128): Sahih
Ayatullah Naeni (Mu'jam rijal Vol 1 page 81 and Durus Tamhidiyah): Sahih
Ayatullah Abu Talb Tabrizi (Mu'jam al Mahasin Page 17): Sahih
Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Muhadith Noori (Khatimah Al Mustadrak Vol 3 Page 363): Sahih 
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih 

[ 25033 ] 4 ـ وفي ( عيون الاخبار ) : عن محمد بن أحمد بن الحسين البغدادي ، عن علي بن محمد ( بن عنبسة ) عن دارم بن قبيصة ، عن الرضا ، عن آبائه ( عليهم السلام ) قال : قال رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) : اطلبوا الخير عند حسان الوجوه ، فإن فعالهم أحرى أن يكون حسنا

[25033] 4- And in Shaikh Sadooq's Uyun al Akhbar: From Muhammad b. Ahmad al Hussain al Baghdadi, from Ali b. Muhammad (b. Umbasah) from Darim b. Qusaibah from Imam al Reda (as) from his forefathers (as): The Prophet (pbuh) said: "Seek the good (khayr) through the beautiful faces, for indeed their deeds/actions are more likely to be good (than those of ugly women who would be jealous)."

Grading

Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih 

[ 25034 ] 5 ـ وفي ( الخصال ) : عن أبيه ، عن أحمد بن إدريس ، عن محمد بن أحمد ، عن الدهقان ، عن درست ، عن إبراهيم بن عبد الحميد ، عن أبي الحسن الاول ( عليه السلام ) قال : ثلاث يجلين البصر : النظر إلى الخضرة ، والنظر إلى الماء الجاري ، والنظر إلى الوجه الحسن

[25034] 5- And in Shaikh Sadooq's Al Khisal: From his father, from Ahmad b. Idris, from Muhammad b. Ahmad, from Al Dahqan, from Darast, from Ibrahim b. Abdul Hamid, from Imam Musa al Kadhim (as) who said: "Three things cool the eyes and drive away grief: Looking at the greenery, looking at natural flowing water (i.e. streams etc, not tap water) and looking at the beautiful face."

Grading

Shaikh Hurr al Amili (Khatima Wasail Page 249): Sahih
Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (Hadaiq al Nadirah Vol 1 Page 16): Sahih
Mullah Faid Kashani (Wafi Vol 1 Page 23): Sahih

Fatawa of scholars

We shall now examine the fatwas from two of our most famous fiqh books, Jawahirul Kalam (by Shaikh Jawahiri, it is an exegesis of another one of our most famous fiqh books which is a core text of all Hawzas, Sharai al Islam by Muhaqqiq Hilli) and Urwatul Wuthqa (by  Ayatullah Kadhim al Yazdi), which are among the core texts of all the Hawzas.

جواهر الكلام - الشيخ الجواهري - ج ٢٩ - الصفحة ٣٨


Jawahirul Kalam by Shaikh Jawahiri, Volume 29 Page 38

إلى غير ذلك من النصوص المستفاد منها ذلك وغيره من الصفات التي لم يذكرها المصنف ككونها سمراء عيناء، عجزاء، مربوعة طيبة اللت، درمة الكعب، عظيمة الكعثب جميلة


To add to what Muhaqqiq Hilli mentioned in his Sharai' al Islam, regarding the desirable traits of the potential wife, she should be of a white and rosy skin complexion, have large and beautiful black eyes, big and round (well shaped) hips and buttocks, be of moderate height (neither tall nor short), have a good smelling neck, smooth and meaty ankle/shin, a big and wide farj, and she should be beautiful and good looking.

العروة الوثقى - السيد اليزدي - ج ٥ - الصفحة ٤٧٩

Al Urwatul Wuthqa by Ayatullah Kadhim al Yazdi, Volume 5 Page 479

وأن تكون سمراء عيناء عجزاء مربوعة طيبة الريح ورمة الكعب (5) جميلة
(5) أسقط المصنف (رحمه الله) من الخبر جزء، والخبر هكذا: رمة الكعب عظيمة الكعثب والمراد من قوله الأول رمة الكعب أي خفي العظم النابت في طرفي الساق منها يمينها وشمالها ومن الثاني سمينة عريضة فرجها وضبط الكعثب بتقديم العين كما في المجمع وبتقديم الثاء كما في القاموس. (الفيروزآبادي).

The potential wife should be of a white and rosy skin complexion, have large and beautiful black eyes, big and round (well shaped) hips and buttocks, be of moderate height (neither tall nor short), be sweet smelling, have smooth and meaty ankle/shin to ensure that she has a big and wide farj, and she should be beautiful and good looking.

*Translator's note: Below is the list of some of the more recent maraji' who have upheld the exact same fatwa:

Ayatullah Khomeini (Urwatul Wuthqa Ma` Ta`leeq Ba'dh al A`dhaam Vol 4, Section on Nikah and its etiquttes)

Ayatullah Khoei (Kitab al Nikah, Vol 1 Page 15, and Al Mubani Vol 2)

Ayatullah Syed Muhsin al Hakim (Mustamassak al Urwatul Wuthqa, Vol 14 Page 7)

Ayatullah Sadiq Rohani (Urwatul Wuthqa Vol 2 Page 458)

Ayatullah Fadil Lankarani (Urwatul Wuthqa Ma` Ta`leeq Ba'dh al A`dhaam Vol 4, Section on Nikah and its etiquttes)

Ayatullah Yusuf Saanei (Urwatul Wuthqa Ma` Ta`leeq Ba'dh al A`dhaam Vol 4, Section on Nikah and its etiquttes)

18 comments:

  1. can u explain what having a big wide farj means?

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  2. Astaghfrollah!! U rawafiz make me sick!

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  3. Assalamou Aleykoum

    http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=18783#entry123576

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  4. @Anonymous: Wa'laikummus Salam,

    Thanks for letting me know.

    I just posted my reply in that thread you linked me to.

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  5. Then how come none of the shaikhs mention these in their lectures on marriage? Is all this really true?? I've never heard this before.

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  6. Salamu Alaikom,

    Brother, you should be careful when you posts such provocative hadiths.

    Check the sanad yourself, instead of relying on scholars.

    The first hadith is weak.

    The second hadith is Saheeh.

    The third hadith is weak.

    The fourth hadith is weak.

    The fifth hadith is weak.

    The sixth hadith is saheeh. However, your translation is horrible. "I tried out" makes the women seem like objects. Whereas the correct translation is "I have experienced." Please be more careful and do not make our imams (as) seem like womanizers who "try out" different women. Please be more respectful to women and to our imams (as).

    The seventh hadith is weak.

    The eighth hadith is weak.

    The ninth hadith is weak.

    The tenth hadith is weak.

    The eleventh hadith is weak.

    The twelfth hadith is weak.


    Thus, out of twelfth hadiths, only two of are saheeh.
    Only two of the twelve hadiths are acceptable.

    The two hadiths that are acceptable are neither controversial nor disrespectful to women.

    I request that you be very careful.

    Do not ruin the reputation of ahlul bayt (as) and their followers via your horrible translations and your own hatred/dislike for women.

    Please learn to respect women.







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  7. @Anonymous: Wa'laikummus salam,

    Inshallah I'll comment in a bit more detail later, I'm very busy these days.

    For now I'll request you to please read (if you haven't already) my reply on the thread that's been linked in the above comments. I've already answered the objections about the gradings of the ahadith and proven their authenticity. Moreover, I've also posted the fatawa of giant scholars (below the ahadith) so one can rest assured that I've not done any self interpretation.

    Anyway, I'll try to answer in bit more detail when I'm free some time.

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  8. @Raza: Assalamu alaikum,

    Generally, the reason is twofold.

    1. Many of these "Shaikhs" are not much aware of the ahadith in our books. Unfortunately the curriculum of hawzas (especially of Qum) is generally more focused on useless things like Mantiq, philosophy, irfan, usul al fiqh, fiqh (based on usuli rationalizations) etc rather than a study of our ahadith.

    2. Political correctness. Even if a "Shaikh" is aware of these ahadith, he'll know better than to mention them in his lectures and risk his bread and butter. Unfortunately all these "shaikhs" do not work for a living, but instead earn money via religion due to which they have no choice but to present only that picture of religion which would be acceptable to their audience so as to ensure the continuity of their livelihood via religion.

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  9. This is a horrible post, and within the context of your other posts regarding women, it is clear and obvious that your post stems from your misogynistic tendencies.

    The chains of all but two of these hadiths are very clearly, without a question, weak.
    Yet, you have BLINDLY followed some scholars to confirm your own personal opinion and personal dislike against women.

    This is a horrible post that does nothing but to hurt the school of ahlul bayt.
    You have done a disservice to the ahlul bayt (as) for not being careful in assessing the chains of these hadiths.

    May Allah guide us all to His straight path

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  10. ^^Why are you completely ignoring the reply by Bhooka_Bhairiya in the thread whose link was posted in one of the above comments. Here is link again: http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=18783#entry123576

    You also ignored all the fatwas of the scholars that he posted. Also, in other posts and comments bhooka_bhairiya has exposed the deficiencies in modern hadith grading system and why he follow classical scholars so why are you keep repeating gradings of a method which is not a good criteria?

    I am a new reader of this blog, I started reading this blog little time back and I am very surprised by it because it is very different. I am born shia but I've seen completely different things which I did not know before after I came to this blog.

    I agree with Bhooka_Bhairiya on many things now. We should not reject hadith if they are different and we don't like them.

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  11. Assalam alaykom brother,

    Jazakallah, thanks for sharing these hadiths. I had not heard them before.

    I think people are getting worked up because at first glance these hadith seem a bit "indecent". But when we think for a bit and look again, it begins to make sense. Basically the attributes defined in these hadiths point to women who would be most fertile and produce the most children (healthy skin complexion, big hips etc, all general indicators of women who would be able to produce most children), and having good number of children is of course good for Islam. This hadith makes it most obvious: ("You should marry the women with large round (well shaped) hips and buttocks for indeed they are the most child bearing ones.").

    Not to mention that these hadiths also point towards attractive women, and it makes sense that the man should marry attractive women so that he would be physically satisfied with them.

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  12. OMG! Brother this is so not true. Islam tells brothers to look for religious wives, instead of focusing on their beauty. That is why women wear hijab. If every brother wants to marry only fair skinned girls, then what will happen to the dark skinned ones, what is their fault??

    Please watch this lecture by Sheikh Ammar Nakshawani(he is a big shia scholar): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQfbJOirspY

    Please watch his other lectures as well, your misconceptions would then be cleared.

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  13. you add a lot of your own commentary into what exactly the hadith means, cant you just translate the hadith with out the parenthesis?

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  14. Many of our A'immah (as) had black wives

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  16. Let’s check the Gradings to expose the lies of this bakri wahabi:

    First hadith:
    Al-Majlisi(ra) says: it is Mursal(disconnected).

    Second hadith:
    Al-Majlisi(ra) says: it is weak.

    Third hadith:
    Al-Majlisi(ra) says: it is weak according to majority.

    Fourth hadith:
    Al-Majlisi(ra) says: part of chain is missing and is disconnected (Marfu).

    Fifth hadith:
    Al-Majlisi(ra) says: it is weak.

    Fifth hadith:
    Al-Majlisi(ra) says: it is weak.

    Sixth hadith:
    Al-Majlisi(ra) says: apparently it is Sahih.

    Seventh hadith:
    Al-Majlisi(ra) says: it is weak.

    Eighth hadith:
    Al-Majlisi(ra) says: part of chain is missing (Marfu).

    Ninth hadith:
    Al-Majlisi(ra) says: it is Mursal(disconnected).

    [Mir’atul Uqool, Vol. 20 Pg. 26-28]

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