Saturday, 19 February 2011

The recommended way to authenticate ahadith

Continuing from the previous post (Ilmur rijal in its own light) which showed that the main hadith telling us to accept ahadith from trustworthy narrators and thereby used by proponents of ilmur rijal to justify their reliance on ilmur rijal, it itself is unauthentic as per ilmur rijal.

So where does that leave us? Is there another way to authenticate ahadith? Is there an AUTHENTIC hadith regarding this?

Kafi

عدة من أصحابنا، عن أحمد بن محمد بن خالد، عن أبيه، عن النضر بن سويد، عن يحيى الحلبي، عن أيوب بن الحر قال: سمعت أبا عبدالله (عليه السلام) يقول
كل شئ مردود إلى الكتاب والسنة، وكل حديث لا يوافق كتاب الله فهو زخرف

From a group among our companions, from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Khalid, from his father, from al Nudhr b. Suwaid, from Yahya al Halbi, from Ayyub b. Al Hur said: I heard Aba Abdullah(as) saying “Everything must be referred to the book and the sunnah, and all hadith not in accordance with book of Allah(swt) is a (fake) gold ornament.”

Source

Kafi (by Shaikh Kulaini), vol 1, page 69, hadith number 3.

Grading

    Majlisi (Miratul uqul, vol 1, page 229)
                                                   صحيح Sahih
       
   Bahboodi (Vol 1, page 11)
                              صحيح Sahih



Posted by Bhooka_bhairiya at 19:01
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9 comments:

  1. Nader Zaveri20 February 2011 at 09:59

    Assalaamu `Alaykum,

    This wouldn't be considered SaHeeH, since Ahmad bin MuHammad bin Khaalid Al-Barqee's father, who is Muhammad bin Khaalid Al-Barqee is considered "da`eef in hadeeth" by Al-Najaashee. Najaashee's opinion is taken over Toosi's opinion.

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  2. Unknown21 February 2011 at 06:37

    wa `alaykum as-salaam,

    According to you maybe, but according to `Allama Hilli in his entry about him after mentioning the reports he says:

    والاعتماد عندى على قول الشيخ أبى جعفر الطوسي (ره) من تعديله.

    Tusi's view being that he was thiqa.

    Even what Najashi says isn't 100% negative, as he follows the saying of him being da`if in hadith by then saying:

    وكان أديبا حسن المعرفة بالأخبار وعلوم العرب

    So it would seem the most sensible way of reconciling this would be what Ibn al-Ghada'iri mentions, which is:

    حديثه يعرف وينكر ويروي عن الضعفاء كثيرا، ويعتمد المراسيل

    So the weakness that Najashi had in mind might very well have been that he would report from weak narrators and rely on mursal reports (thus indicating he wasn't strict who he would narrate from), though the way Ibn al-Ghada'iri is phrasing it not all of his reports would get automatically rejected, you'd have to see who he was narrating from. In this case, an-Nadr b. Suwayd is fine so there's no real reason to reject it.

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  3. Bhooka_bhairiya21 February 2011 at 21:33

    Assalam alayakum,

    Interesting stuff. Gave me some ideas for future posts.

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  4. Nader Zaveri23 February 2011 at 05:17

    Najaashee's opinion is taken over Al-Toosee's opinion is a general scholarly consensus, not my opinion.

    And when a rijaal scholar says "يعرف وينكر" it is a form of weakening.

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  5. Unknown23 February 2011 at 18:26

    I imagine `Allama Hilli would have been familiar with how rijal analysis works...

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  6. Anonymous26 February 2011 at 17:57

    It should be remembered that the weakening of this hadith wouldn't lead to the strengthening of the other hadith, so the result is the same.

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  7. Abbas3 April 2011 at 20:59

    Nader Zaveri is a scholar !? lol
    Can you give us examples of what you said Nader?

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  8. wasil4 April 2011 at 10:05

    The Hadith is sahih without a doubt so don't pay any attention to this Nader Zaveri guy!
    Mohamed ibn khalid al-barqi is thiqat and the view of sheikh toosi is stronger than the view of najashi without a doubt.

    ws

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  9. Anonymous23 December 2013 at 07:42

    http://313news.net/forum/index.php?/topic/5958/

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