Monday, 26 December 2016

Qur'an vs Ahadith

موقع مكتب سماحة آية الله العظمى السيد الروحاني


Website of Ayatullah Sadiq Rohani's office

فما هو الثقل الأكبر ؟ كتاب الله ، أم آل محمّد :

استفتاء:
 ورد عن الرسول الأعظم (صلى الله عليه وآله) أنّه قال : « إنّي تارك فيكم الثقلين كتاب الله وعترتي أهل بيتي ، أحدهما أكبر من الآخر » ، فما هو الثقل الأكبر ؟ كتاب الله ، أم آل محمّد ؟

Question: It has been reported that the prophet (pbuh) said: "I am leaving among you two critical items, the book of Allah and my ahlulbayt. One of them is greater than the other." So which is superior, Quran or ahlulbayt?
جواب:
 بإسمه جلت اسمائه  
ممّا لا ريب فيه أنّ أصل حديث الثقلين حديثٌ متواترٌ مقطوعٌ بصدوره عن النبيّ الأعظم (صلى الله عليه وآله) ، إلاّ أنّ هذا لا يلازم القطع بصدور بعض الزيادات الواردة في بعض طرقه ، ومن جملتها الزيادة المُشار إليها في السؤال ، فإنّها من ناحية لم يتكثّر نقلها في جميع طرق حديث الثقلين حتّى يقال بتواترها ،ومن ناحية اُخرى لم تصلنا بطرق معتبرة يمكننا التعويل عليها ، بل كلّ طرقها مخدوشة السند ، مضافاً إلى معارضتها بغيرها ، كالحديث الذي أورده الديلمي في إرشاد القلوب عن رسول الله الأعظم (صلى الله عليه وآله) : « إنّي تارك فيكم الثقلين كتاب الله وعليّ ابن أبي طالب (عليه السلام) ، وعليّ بن أبي طالب أفضل لكم من كتاب الله » ، والذي يظهر من بعض المأثورت أنّ هذا المعنى كان واضحاً عند أجلاّء الصحابة ، إلاّ أنّ أيدي الوضّاعين قد عبثت فيه ، والشاهد على ذلك أنّ ابن عباس لما قيل له : ما تقول في عليّ بن أبي طالب (عليه السلام) ؟ قال : ذكرتَ والله أجلّ الثقلين ، ومن سبق بالشهادتين ، و صلّى القبلتين ، وبايع البيعتين ، إلى آخر الحديث ، فعبّر عن أمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) بأنّه ( أجلّ الثقلين ) ممّا يعني وضوح كون أهل البيت (عليهم السلام) بنظر الصحابة هم الثقل الأكبر .

Answer: What is certain is that hadith al thaqalain itself is mutawatir, and definitely issued by the prophet (pbuh). But this does not necessitate additional portions of this hadith having being issued by the prophet(pbuh), such as the additional portion mentioned in the question [i.e. 'one of them is greater than the other']. This is so, because on one hand, this additional portion has not been mentioned in too many sources of hadith al thaqalain, which would then enable it to become mutawatir. Secondly, this additional portion has not been reported to us through reliable chains of narration - which may enable us to rely on it - on the contrary; all of its chains of narration are weak, in addition to it being in contradiction with other ahadith. For example, it has been reported by Shaikh al Daylami in Irshadul Quloob from the prophet(pbuh): "I am leaving among you two critical entities, the book of Allah and Ali b. abi Talib; and Ali is better for you than the book of Allah". And what is apparent from some textual sources is that this notion was well known among the foremost companions, except that the hands of the fabricators managed to cover it up. What serves as an evidence for this, [is the recorded incident] that when it was said to Ibn Abbas: "What do you say about Ali?" He replied: "I swear by Allah that the person you mentioned is the foremost of the 2 critical items (thaqalain), among the earliest to accept Islam, prayed towards both qiblas (i.e. towards the inital qibla in the early days of Islam, as well as towards the ka'ba after it was ordained the qibla), pledged allegiance to the prophet(pbuh) twice................(till the end of the hadith)". Therefore, Ibn Abbas's reference to Imam Ali as being the 'foremost of the two critical entities' proves the explicitness of the ahlulbayt being the greater of the two critical entities, within the eyes of the companions.

موقع سماحة آية الله المحقق الشيخ محمّد جميل حمُّود العاملي


 Ayatullah Jamil Hamud al Amili's website

السؤال الثالث قال الرسول الاعظم صلى الله عليه وآله الطيبين الطاهرين ( اني مخلف فيكم الثقلين كتاب الله وعترة أهل بيتي ما ان تمسكتم بهما لن تضلوا بعدي ابدا ) ما هو الثقل الاكبر كتاب الله ام العترة 

Third Question: The Prophet said: "I leave behind among you 'al Thaqalayn' (the two weighty/important things), the book of Allah and the ahlulbayt, so that if you hold onto both then you will never be misguided after me.". Which is the 'thaql al akbar' (greater of the two weighty/important things), Qur'an or the ahlulbayt (as)?

اتفقت جميع المصادر الشيعية على عدم وجود لفظ" أحدهما أكبر من الآخر " إلا في مصادر المخالفين جاء فيها عن زيد بن أرقم ، قال : قال رسول اللَّه صلَّى اللَّه عليه وآله وسلَّم : « إنّي مخلَّف فيكم ما إن تمسّكتم به لن تضلَّوا بعدي  أحدهما أعظم من الآخر : كتاب اللَّه حبل ممدود من الأرض إلى السماء ، وعترتي أهل بيتي ، ولن يفترقا حتّى يردا عليّ الحوض ، فانظروا كيف تخلفوني فيهما » .
ورواه الصدوق في كمال الدين ص 234 من طرق العامة وهو التالي: حدثنا محمد بن إبراهيم بن أحمد بن يونس قال : حدثنا العباس بن الفضل
عن أبي رزعة ، عن كثير بن يحيى أبي مالك ، عن أبي عوانة ، عن الأعمش ، عن حبيب
ابن أبي ثابت ، عن عامر بن واثلة ، عن زيد بن أرقم قال : لما رجع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله
من حجة الوداع نزل بغدير خم ثم أمر بدوحات فقم ما تحتهن ، ثم قال : كأني قد
دعيت فأجبت إني تركت فيكم الثقلين أحدهما أكبر من الاخر : كتاب الله وعترتي أهل
بيتي فانظروا كيف تخلفوني فيهما فإنهما لن يفترقا حتى يردا علي الحوض...". ورواه في كتاب عيون أخبار الإمام الرضا عليه السلام محذوف السند ويظهر أنه من طرق العامة كعادته الشيخ الصدوق ينقل كثيراً من كتبهم. كما أنه رواه في موضع آخر من كتابه إكمال النعمة من طريق عيسى بن يونس الواقفي عن زكريا بن أبي زائدة ، عن عطية العوفي ، عن أبي سعيد الخدري..وزكريا وعطية من رواة العامة...وبالغض عن كل ذلك لو سلمنا بصحة الأخبار الدالة على أن أحدهما أكبر من الآخر فالخلاف بتعيين أيهما الأكبر هل هو الكتاب أم العترة ؟ والظاهر منه بضميمة القرائن الأخرى هو العترة باعتبارهم هم الأوحدون الذين يترجمون القرآن الكريم على حقيقته الواقعية لما في الكتاب من مجملات ومتشابهات وناسخ ومنسوخ وعام وخاص ومطلق ومقيّد فلا يعرف شيء من ذلك إلا بالرجوع إلى العترة الطاهرة سلام الله عليها وكما قال أمير المؤمنين الإمام الأعظم سلام الله عليه :ط هذا كتاب الله الصمات وأنا كتابه الناطق ولا ينفع صامت من دون ناطق" وقوله عليه السلام :" أنا كلام الله الناطق

  وقد فسر بعضهم الثقل الأصغر بالعترة والأكبر بالكتاب وادعى في ذلك إتفاق الأخبار في هذا المعنى..وهو خلاف الحقيقة غذ لا يوجد بطرقنا الشيعية في مصادرنا..نعم موجود في مصادرنا من طرق المخالفين


Answer: No Shia source contains the words "one of them is greater than the other". This addition is only found in mukhalif (non-Shia) sources. In non-Shia sources it is reported from Zayb . Arqam that the Prophet (pbuh) said: "I leave behind among you that which if you hold onto then you will never be misguided after me. One of them is greater than the other: The book of Allah, the outstretched rope from the Earth to the Heaven; and my ahlulbayt. So be careful of how you treat them after me, for they will not separate from each other until they return to the fountain (of Paradise, on judgement day)."

This hadith is reported by Shaikh Sadooq, in Kamaluddin Page 234, but from aami (non-Shia) sources as follows: Told us Muhammad b. Ibrahim b. ahmad b. Yunus, who said: Told us Al Abbas b. al Fadal, who reported from Abi Zar'a, who reported from Kathir b. Yahya abi Malik, who reported from Abi  Awanah, who reported from al 'Amash, who reported from Habib b. abi Thabit, who reported from Aaamir b. Wathilah, who reported from Zayd b. Arqm that he said: "When the Prophet (pbuh) returned from his last Hajj, he came upon Ghadir khum. He ordered stoppage by the large trees, so camps were setup thereunder. He then said: Please understand that Allah has called for me and I have accepted the call (i.e. my time of death is very close). I leave behind among you the thaqalayn, one of them is greater than the other: The book of Allah, and my ahlulbayt. So be careful of how you treat them after me, for they will not separate from each other until they return to the fountain (of Paradise, on judgement day)."

Shaikh Sadooq also reported this hadith in "Uyun Akhbar ar Reda" without sanad, and it seems that it is also from aami (non-Shia) sources as it was the habit of Shaikh Sadooq to often quote from non-Shia books. He also reported this hadith in another section of his book Kamaluddin, from the following chain: Isa b. Yunus al Waqifi from Zakariya b. abi Zaida, from Atiyah al Ufi, from Abi Saeed al Khudri. Zakariya and Atiya of this chain are aami (non-Shia) narrators.

Regardless of all of this, even if we were to accept these ahadith which indicate that "one of them is greater than the other", there would still remain the question as to which of them is actually greater than the other (as the aforementioned aami ahadith do not pinpoint which is greater of the two), is it the Qur'an or the ahlulbayt? What becomes apparent, by additional evidences (from rest of the ahadith) is that it is the ahlulbayt, as they are the only ones who interpret the Qur'an as per its actual reality with regards to the complexities found therein; in terms of verses which may be brief, ambiguous, abrogating (of other verses), abrogated (by other verses), general, specific, unconditional and conditional, for none of these can be correctly understood without referring to them. As is reported from Imam Ali (as): "The Qur'an is the silent book, whereas I am the speaking (living and talking) book of Allah. The silent book does not provide benefit without being accompanied by the speaking book.". It is also narrated that Imam Ali (as) said: "I am the speaking (living and talking) speech of Allah".

Some people have interpreted the 'thaql al asghar' (the lesser of the two weighty things) to be the ahlulbayt and the 'thaql al akbar' to be the Qur'an, and have claimed that this is due to the consensus of the ahadith towards this meaning. But this is contrary to the reality, since no such hadith is found in our sources via a shia tariq (intermediaries/chain of transmission), they are only found in our sources via mukhalif (non-Shia) turuq (chains of transmission).

12 comments:

  1. Listen you nasibi wahabi pieceof sh1t, hadees e saqlain is completely saheeh and mutawatir! This is accepted by even your sunni scholars. Here is just ONE example of it from your SAHIH MUSLIM which you guys consider 100% sahih:

    Yazid b. Hayyan reports:
    “I went along with Husain b. Sabra and 'Umar b. Muslim to Zaid b. Arqam and, as we sat by his side, Husain said to him: Zaid. you have been able to acquire a great virtue that you saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) listened to his talk, fought by his side in (different) battles, offered prayer behind me. Zaid, you have in fact earned a great virtue. Zaid, narrate to us what you heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said: I have grown old and have almost spent my age and I have forgotten some of the things which I remembered in connection with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), so accept whatever I narrate to you, and which I do not narrate do not compel me to do that. He then said: One day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family. He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes."
    Sahih Muslim 031: 5920

    I can produce this hadees from many other of your sahih books as well. So keep your trap shut you idiot wahabi pig.

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  2. ^^Learn to actually READ you idiot. Brother Bhooka is not rejecting hadith al thaqalayn, he is only clarifying the misconception that people have regarding the quran being more important than hadith due to being the thaql al akbar.

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  3. Lool, this idiotic pig bhooka got completely refuted by brother Nader Zaveri: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235024217-quran-vs-ahadith/#entry2723985

    It's so good to have people like Nader around who keep exposing this filthy pig everywhere! What do you say now you bhooka fanboys??

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    1. It was 'Ayatullah' Jamil Hamud al Amili who got refuted, seeing as he is the author of the article, the brother just translated it. But I guess as usual you are so blinded by your narrow minded view of Islam that you didn't even bother to read the article.

      Just stick to insulting the words of the Imams (a) leave article critiquing until you learn how to read properly.

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  4. Syed Hussain Naqvi29 July 2014 at 07:42

    Brother Bhooka, since you wrote this article, I assume you then also hold to Ayatullah Hamud al Amili's view that the Qur'an isNOT the thaql al akbar? In that case, could you please then refute the evidences against this position that brother Nader has put forward on Shiachat? Else, could you please then have the decency to admit that you were wrong? Also, considering that you are an akhbari who believes in every hadith being authentic, I feel it would be hypocritical of you to try and refute brother Nader's ahadith.

    Please don't take offense bhooka, this is a sincere request. Shukran, wassalam.

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    1. How can he refute Nader on shiachat when he is banned on sc?

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    2. Keep on making excuses for your master.

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    3. It's not an excuse but a valid reason. How can anyone expect him to refute someone from sc when he's banned from there?

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    4. I dont get it, why does everyone hate bhooka so much????

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  5. Labbaik Khamenei18 August 2014 at 20:09

    Sad to see that a site as pathetic as this can get 100000 hits

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  6. Most of you idiots can't even seem to understand that it is not Bhooka who is making these claims. Bhooka is merely translating the Arabic texts into English.

    You guys are seriously morons for continuously and constantly attacking Bhooka, who is just translating texts.

    It's frustrating to see donkeys like you constantly attack Bhooka.

    Learn to read, and learn to comprehend what you read.

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  7. Mr Anonymous, how much does bhooka pay you?? You seem to be a very loyal fierce dog that bhooka has bred? retarded donkeys???

    It's you who is a foolish idiot, for not realising the agenda of bhooka to destroy shiaism.

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