Monday, 26 December 2011

Marriages and divorces of Imam Hasan (as)

الكافي للكليني (٣٢٩ هـ) الجزء٦ صفحة٥٦ باب تطليق المرأة غير الموافقة

Kafi by Shaikh Kulaini (ra), Volume 6, Page 56, Section on divorcing the unsuitable woman

4 - حميد بن زياد عن الحسن بن محمد بن سماعة عن محمد بن زياد بن عيسى عن عبد الله بن سنان عن أبي عبد الله ع قال : إن عليا قال وهو على المنبر : لا تزوجوا الحسن فإنه رجل مطلاق فقام رجل من همدان فقال : بلى والله لنزوجنه وهو ابن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وابن أمير المؤمنين ع فإن شاء أمسك وإن شاء طلق

4- Humaid b. Ziad from al Hasan b. Muhammad b. Sama'a from Muhammad b. Ziad b. Isa from Abdullah b. Sinan from abi Abdullah (as) who said: Indeed Ali (as) said, while he was on the pulpit: "Do not arrange marriage with al Hasan, for indeed he is a man who constantly divorces." So a man from Hamdan stood up then said: "Rather, by Allah (swt) we will definitely arrange marriage with him, he is the son/progeny of the Prophet (pbuh) and the son of commander of the faithful, so if he wishes he may keep and if he wishes he may divorce."

مرآة العقول في شرح أخبار آل الرسول للمجلسي ج ٢١ ص: ٩٦ (الحديث الرابع) موثق

Miratul uqool by Majlisi, Volume 21, Page 96: Hadith 4: Muwaththaq (Reliable)

 وروى البرقي في كتاب المحاسن عن ابن محبوب عن عبد الله بن سنان عن أبي عبد الله " قال : أتى رجل أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) فقال له : جئتك مستشيرا إن الحسن والحسين وعبد الله بن جعفر خطبوا إلي فقال أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) : المستشار مؤتمن ، أما الحسن فإنه مطلاق للنساء ، ولكن زوجها الحسين فإنه خير لابنتك

And al Barqi narrated in his book, al Mahasin, from ibn Mahboob, from Abdullah b. Sinan from abi Abdullah (as) who said: A man came to Ali (as), so he said to him (as): "I have come to seek advise whether I should propose to Hasan, Hussain or Abdullah b. Ja'far?" So Ali (as) said: "(Speaking as) The trusted adviser, as for Hasan, so indeed he divorces women a lot, instead arrange marriage with Hussain for indeed he is good for your daughter."


وسائل الشيعة (آل البيت) الحر العاملي (1104 هـ) الجزء٢٢ صفحة١٢

Wasail ush shia by Shaikh Hurr al Amili (ra), Volume 22, Page 12

4 ـ باب جواز تعدد الطلاق وتكراره من الرجل لامرأة واحدة
ولنساء شتى

Section on the permissibility of multiple divorce and its repetition from the man towards one woman or different women.

[ 27889 ] 1 ـ محمّد بن يعقوب ، عن حميد بن زياد ، عن الحسن بن محمّد بن سماعة عن محمّد بن زياد بن عيسى ، عن عبدالله بن سنان ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : إن عليا ( عليه السلام ) قال وهو على المنبر : لا تزوجوا الحسن فانه رجل مطلاق ، فقام رجل من همدان فقال : بلى والله لنزوجنه وهو ابن رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) وابن أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) ، فإن شاء أمسك وإن شاء طلق .
 
[27889] 1- Muhammad b. Ya'qoob, from Humaid b. Ziad from al Hasan b. Muhammad b. Sama'a from Muhammad b. Ziad b. Isa from Abdullah b. Sinan from abi Abdullah (as) who said: Indeed Ali (as) said, while he was on the pulpit: "Do not arrange marriage with al Hasan, for indeed he is a man who constantly divorces." So a man from Hamdan stood up then said: "Rather, by Allah (swt) we will definitely arrange marriage with him, he is the son/progeny of the Prophet (pbuh) and the son of commander of the faithful, so if he wishes he may keep and if he wishes he may divorce."

[ 27890 ] 2 ـ وقد تقدم حديث يحيى بن أبى العلاء ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : إن الحسن بن علي ( عليه السلام ) طلق خمسين امرأة ، ثمّّ ذكر نحوه

 [27890] 2- And there has preceded a hadith of Yahya b. abi al 'Ala, from abi Abdullah (as) who said: "Indeed al Hasan b. Ali (as) divorced fifty women, then he mentioned similar to it."

  أقول : وتقدم ما يدل على ذلك هنا وفي المهور ، ويأتي ما يدل عليه في الطلاق ثلاثا وتسعا وغير ذلك

 I (i.e. Shaikh Hurr al Amili) say: "And there has preceded what proves upon that here and (in the section on) dowries, and there is to come what proves upon it in (the section on) 3 and 9 divorces and other than that.


بحار الأنوار للمجلسي (1111 هـ) الجزء ٤٤ صفحة ١٧٢

Biharul Anwar by Majlisi, Volume 44, Page 172

6 كا : حميد بن زياد ، عن الحسن بن محمد بن سماعة ، عن محمد بن زياد بن عيسى ، عن عبدالله بن سنان ، عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال : إن عليا صلوات الله عليه قال وهو على المنبر : لا تزوجوا الحسن فانه رجل مطلاق ، فقام رجل من همدان فقال : بلى والله لنزوجنه ، وهو ابن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وابن أمير المؤمنين فان شاء أمسك وإن شاء طلق

 

6- From Kafi: Humaid b. Ziad from al Hasan b. Muhammad b. Sama'a from Muhammad b. Ziad b. Isa from Abdullah b. Sinan from abi Abdullah (as) who said: Indeed Ali (as) said, while he was on the pulpit: "Do not arrange marriage with al Hasan, for indeed he is a man who constantly divorces." So a man from Hamdan stood up then said: "Rather, by Allah (swt) we will definitely arrange marriage with him, he is the son/progeny of the Prophet (pbuh) and the son of commander of the faithful, so if he wishes he may keep and if he wishes he may divorce."

 

 الوافي للكاشاني، ج‏٢٣، ص: ٩٩٩

 

Wafi by Kashani, Volume 23, Page 999

 

22614 4 الكافي 6: 56) حميد، عن ابن سماعة، عن محمد بن زياد ابن عيسى، عن عبد اللَّه بن سنان، عن أبي عبد اللَّه ع قال" إن عليا ع قال و هو على المنبر: لا تزوجوا الحسن فإنه رجل مطلاق، فقام رجل من همدان فقال: بلى و اللَّه لنزوجنه و هو ابن رسول اللَّه ص و ابن أمير المؤمنين ع فإن شاء أمسك و إن شاء طلق

 

22614: 4- (Kafi 6: 56) Humaid, from ibn Sama'a from Muhammad b. Ziad b. Isa from Abdullah b. Sinan from abi Abdullah (as) who said: Indeed Ali (as) said, while he was on the pulpit: "Do not arrange marriage with al Hasan, for indeed he is a man who constantly divorces." So a man from Hamdan stood up then said: "Rather, by Allah (swt) we will definitely arrange marriage with him, he is the son/progeny of the Prophet (pbuh) and the son of commander of the faithful, so if he wishes he may keep and if he wishes he may divorce."

 

يقول المحدث الميرزا النوري في مستدرك الوسائل  ج ١٥ ص ٢٨٠حكاية عن ابن شهر آشوب في المناقب : عن أبي طالب في قوت القلوب أنه - يعني الحسن ( عليه السلام ) - تزوج مائتين وخمسين امرأة ، وقد قيل : ثلاثمائة ، وكان علي ( عليه السلام ) يضجر من ذلك ، فكان يقول في خطبته : " ان الحسن مطلاق فلا تنكحوه

 

 Muhadith Noori reprts in Mustadrak al Wasail (Volume 15, Page 250) a narration from ibn Shahr Ashoob: From abi Talib in Quwat al Quloob that he, that is Imam Hasan (as) married two hundred and fifty women, and it is also said (that he married) three hundred, and Ali (as) was anxious of  that, so he would say in his sermon: "Indeed Hasan divorces a lot so do not arrange Nikah with him."

 


مستدرك سفينة البحار - الشيخ علي النمازي الشاهرودي - ج ٤ - الصفحة ٣٣٧

 

Mustadrak Safinatul Bihar by Shaikh Ali Namazi al Sharoodi, Volume 4, Page 337

 

 أزواج الحسن المجتبى (عليه السلام

  

Wives of Imam Hasan (as)

 

قال الكفعمي: وكان أزواجه أربعة وستين عدا الجواري

 

Shaikh al Kaf'ami said: "He had sixty four wives, besides the slave girls."


أبو طالب المكي في قوة القلوب: إنه تزوج مائتين وخمسين امرأة وقد قيل ثلاثمائة. وكان علي (عليه السلام) يزجر من ذلك فكان يقول في خطبته: إن الحسن مطلاق فلا تنكحوه

 

Abu Talib al Makki in Quwatul Quloob: "Indeed he married two hundred and fifty women, and it is also said (that he married) three hundred, and Ali (as) was anxious of  that, so he would say in his sermon: "Indeed Hasan divorces a lot so do not arrange Nikah with him."


الكافي: عن أبي عبد الله صلوات الله عليه قال: إن الحسن بن علي (عليه السلام) طلق خمسين امرأة، فقام علي بالكوفة فقال: يا معشر أهل الكوفة لا تنكحوا الحسن، فإنه رجل مطلاق. فقام إليه رجل فقال: بلى والله لننكحنه إنه ابن رسول الله وابن فاطمة، فإن أعجبه أمسك وإن كره طلق

 

Al Kafi: From abi Abdullah (as) who said: "Indeed al Hasan b. Ali (as) divorced fifty women, so Ali (as) stood up at Kufa, then said: "O people of Kufa! Do not arrange Nikah with al Hasan, for indeed he is a man who constantly divorces." So a man from Hamdan stood up then said: "Rather, by Allah (swt) we will definitely arrange marriage with him, he is the son/progeny of the Prophet (pbuh) and the son of Fatima, so if he likes he may keep and if he wishes he may divorce."

 


مكارم الأخلاق: روي أن الحسن بن علي (عليه السلام) تزوج زيادة على مائتين وربما كان يعقد على أربع في عقد واحد

 

Makarim al Akhlaq by Shaikh Tabrisi: It has been reported that Hasan b. Ali married more than two hundred women, and would sometimes marry four women in one sitting."

 

 

جامع أحاديث الشيعة - السيد البروجردي - ج ٢٢ - الصفحة ٦

Jami' Ahadith al Shia by Ayatullah Burujerdi, Volume 22 Page 6

٢٧) كا ٥٦ ج ٦ - عدة من أصحابنا عن أحمد بن محمد عن محمد بن
إسماعيل ابن بزيع عن جعفر بن بشير عن يحيى ابن أبي العلاء عن أبي عبد الله
عليه السلام قال إن الحسن بن علي عليهما السلام طلق خمسين امرأة فقام علي عليه
السلام بالكوفة فقال يا معاشر أهل الكوفة لا تنكحوا الحسن فإنه رجل
مطلاق فقام اليه رجل فقال بلى والله لننكحنه فإنه ابن رسول الله صلى الله
عليه وآله وابن فاطمة عليها السلام فان أعجبته أمسك وان كره طلق
 

 27) [Kafi Volume 6 Page 56]- A group among our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Ismail b. Bazi', from Ja'far b. Bashir, from Yahya b. abi al 'Ala from abi Abdullah (as) who said: "Indeed al Hasan b. Ali (as) divorced fifty women, so Ali (as) stood up at Kufa, then said: "O people of Kufa! Do not arrange Nikah with al Hasan, for indeed he is a man who constantly divorces." So a man from Hamdan stood up then said: "Rather, by Allah (swt) we will definitely arrange marriage with him, he is the son/progeny of the Prophet (pbuh) and the son of Fatima, so if he liked he may keep and if he wishes he may divorce."

٢٨) كا ٥٦ ج ٦ - حميد بن زياد عن الحسن بن محمد بن سماعة عن محمد بن زياد بن عيسى عن عبد الله بن سنان عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال إن
عليا عليه السلام قال وهو على المنبر لا تزوجوا الحسن فإنه رجل مطلاق
فقام (اليه - خ) رجل من همدان فقال بلى والله لنزوجنه وهو ابن رسول الله
صلى الله عليه وآله وابن أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام فإن شاء أمسك وان شاء طلق

28) [Kafi Volume 6 Page 56]-  Humaid b. Ziad from al Hasan b. Muhammad b. Sama'a from Muhammad b. Ziad b. Isa from Abdullah b. Sinan from abi Abdullah (as) who said: Indeed Ali (as) said, while he was on the pulpit: "Do not arrange marriage with al Hasan, for indeed he is a man who constantly divorces." So a man from Hamdan stood up then said: "Rather, by Allah (swt) we will definitely arrange marriage with him, he is the son/progeny of the Prophet (pbuh) and the son of commander of the faithful, so if he wishes he may keep and if he wishes he may divorce."

٢٩) الدعائم ٢٥٧ ج ٢ - كان الحسن بن علي عليهما السلام يتزوج
النساء كثيرا ويطلقهن، إذا رغب في واحدة (منهن - خ) وكن عنده أربعا، طلق
واحدة منهن وتزوج التي رغب فيها فأحصن كثيرا من النساء على مثل هذا
قال أبو جعفر محمد بن علي عليهما السلام قال علي عليه السلام لأهل الكوفة
لا تزوجوا حسنا فإنه رجل مطلاق

29) Da'aim al Islam by Qadi Nu'man, Volume 2, Page 257: Hasan b. Ali (as) would marry a lot of women and divorce them. When he would be attracted to a new woman while he still had four wives with him, he would divorce one of his wives and marry the new woman to whom he was attracted. Therefore he married a lot of women along this pattern.

Imam Baqir (as) said: Ali (as) said to the people of Kufa: "Do not arrange marriage with al Hasan, for indeed he is a man who constantly divorces."

(٣٠) المناقب ٣٠ ج ٤ - أبو طالب المكي في قوة القلوب أنه (يعنى
الحسن عليه السلام - ك) تزوج مائتين وخمسين امرأة و (قد - ك) قيل ثلاثمائة،
وكان علي عليه السلام يضجر من ذلك فكان يقول في خطبته ان الحسن
مطلاق فلا تنكحوه

30) Al Manaqib by Ibn Shahr Ashoob, Volume 4, Page 30: Abu Talib al Makki wrote in Quwatul Quloob that Imam Hasan (as) married two hundred and fifty women, and it is also said (that he married) three hundred, and Ali (as) was anxious of  that, so he would say in his sermon: "Indeed Hasan divorces a lot so do not arrange Nikah with him."

٣١) المحاسن ٦٠١ - البرقي عن ابن محبوب عن عبد الله بن سنان
عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال أتى رجل أمير المؤمنين عليا عليه السلام فقال
له جئتك مستشيرا أن الحسن والحسين عليهما السلام وعبد الله بن جعفر خطبوا
إلى فقال أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام المستشار مؤتمن، أما الحسن فإنه مطلاق
للنساء ولكن زوجها الحسين فإنه خير لابنتك
31) Al Mahasin by Barqi, Page 601: Al Barqi from ibn Mahboob, from Abdullah b. Sinan from abi Abdullah (as) who said: A man came to Ali (as), so he said to him (as): "I have come to seek advise whether I should propose to Hasan, Hussain or Abdullah b. Ja'far?" So Ali (as) said: "(Speaking as) The trusted adviser, as for Hasan, so indeed he divorces women a lot, instead arrange marriage with Hussain for indeed he is good for your daughter."

10 comments:

  1. Salam,

    this is a refutation of these ahadith :

    http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/default.asp?url=tusi-howard.htm

    Imam Hasan, the Myth of his Divorces
    Sayyid Saeed Akhtar Rizvi

    More on the website, but here is the analysis of the ahadith :

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  2. Let us now look at these reports:

    Some have reported 70 wives. Others have increased the number to 90. Still others have said 250 wives! The highest number is 300!
    The first report of 70 wives is given by Abu'l-Hasan `Ali ibn Abdullah Al-Basri Al-Mada'ini, who died in 225 A.H. This man was a partisan of Bani Umayya - he was a freed slave of Sumra ibn Habib, an Umayyad.
    Ubn Adi has said of him: He is not strong in Hadith. (Mizan al-I 'tidal, Vol.2, p.232, Lisan al-Mizan, Vol.4, p.253)
    This Madaini does not say from where he got this number of 70.
    The second report of 90 wives appears in Nur al-Absar of Shablanji who died in 1298 AH.
    Reports of 250 and 300 wives are found in Quwwat al-Qulub (Vol. 2, p.246) of Abu Talib Makki who died in 380 A.H. He writes:

    "Hasan ibn `Ali married 250 wives; and it is said that 300 wives. `Ali was very much annoyed and grieved by it, because when Hasan divorced a woman, `Ali felt embarrassment before her family. `Ali used to say that 'Hasan is habitual divorcer; you people should not give your daughters to him." Then a man from the tribe of Hamdan said:
    'O amir al-Mu'minin, by God, we will give him our daughters; and he may retain whomsoever he wishes and may divorce whomsoever he dislikes.' Hearing it, `Ali was very much pleased and recited the following poem:
    "If I would be in-charge of any gate of Paradise I would tell the tribe of Hamdan, 'Enter into Paradise with peace."
    "Imam Hasan had likeness of the Prophet in facial features as well as in manners and character. The Holy Prophet told him, 'O Hasan, you are like me in features and character and manners.' Also he said, 'Hasan is from me and Husain is from `Ali.'
    "Hasan, often married 4 wives in one sitting and then divorced 4 wives in one sitting."
    Now this man Abu Talib had become mad at the time of writing this book Quwwat al-Qulub. He went to Baghdad and people came to see him. When they heard his senseless talk, all went away, and avoided him. One of his savings of that time is that "None is more harmful for the people than their Creator." The scolars have frankly said that he has written many things in that book which have no foundation at all.

    These were the original reporters. All those who came after them have blindly copied from their books.

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  3. The fact is that it was impossible for Imam Hasan to marry so many wives even if he wanted to. All the narrations imply that he started this alleged pursuit of pleasure during the Khilafat of his father in Kufa. `Ali came to Kufa in 37 Hijra. Imam Hasan had at least three wives in Kufa.

    Khawal Fazariya, who was the mother of Hasan Muthanna (the grandfather of Muhammad Nafs al-Zakiyya). She survived Imam Hasan. This marriage had taken place in Medina.
    Umm Ishaq bint Talha. She was the mother of Husain Athram, Talha and Fatima. This marriage also had taken place in Medina. She survived Imam Hasan; and was later married to Imam Husain.
    Ju'da bint Ash-ath. This marriage took place in Kufa and she also survived Imam Hasan. (She poisoned him on instigation of Mu'aviya.)
    Islam allows a man to marry up to four women at any given time. As Imam Hasan already had three wives, who were with him up to the last day of his life, he could marry only one more woman at any time.

    Bearing in mind this limitation, one can only regard the statement of Quwwat al-Qulub with amusement: "Often he (Imam Hasan) married 4 wives in one sitting and then divorced them in one sitting." How could he marry 4 wives in one sitting when he already had 3 wives?

    Now suppose that he married a fourth wife, and then divorced her. As long as that divorced wife was in 'idda (period of probation, normally 3 months) she was counted legally his wife, and Imam Hasan could not marry another wife before expiry of her 'idda.

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  4. Let us, now, suppose that he married a woman. As divorce cannot be given in a month in which co-habitation has taken place, the earliest that that wife could be divorced was in next month; her 'idda continued for 3 months. Thus, four months passed before Imam Hasan could be free to marry another wife. One wife in four months gives us a maximum of 3 wives in a year. Supposing that Imam Hasan had no other work except marrying and divorcing, as Mansur said, and if we count from 37 A.H. up to his martyrdom at the beginning of 51 A.H. to get a period of 14 years, this will give us a maximum number of 42 possible marriages.

    And the minimum alleged by these scholars is 70 wives!

    After this clarification, there is no need for further comment upon these reports. Yet it is worthwhile to examine these reports a little more in order to show how absolutely unreliable they are.

    Abu Talib Makki says: "`Ali used to say that Hasan is a habitual divorcer; do not give him your daughters." The question is, why `Ali told people in public not to give Hasan their daughters? Had he, first, told Hasan not to divorce so much? If so, did Hasan disobey him? Nobody says that Hasan was, God forbid, a disobedient son. Even Abu Talib Makki admits that Hasan was like the Holy Prophet in facial features and in manners and character. Can a disobedient son be universally accepted as having the character and manner of the Holy Prophet?

    Or did `Ali forbid people in public without first trying to restrain Hasan from this alleged behaviour?

    Can `Ali be expected to do such a childish thing, degrading his heir-apparent in public, without first advising him accordingly? As both alternatives lead to absurdity, the only conclusion remains that this report was forged by someone who wanted to discredit both `Ali and Hasan by one fabrication.

    The most amusing is the report of aforementioned Abu'l-Hasan al-Mada'ini who says: "When Hasan died, all his former wives came out in a group in his funeral procession, with open heads and bare feet, and they were shouting "We are the wives of Hasan!"

    Who has ever heard of such a procession in Islamic society? What was the sense in shouting 'we are the wives of Hasan'? And how did their husbands of that time allow them to form that comic procession?

    It will be interesting to see the gradual development of this propaganda.

    First comes Mansur, in 144 A.H., declaring that Imam Hasan was 'marrying one woman today, divorcing another tomorrow.'

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  5. Then comes al-Mada'ini (died 225 A.H.) who gives a specific number of 70 and produces the procession of those divorced wives at the funeral.

    Then al-Kafi (compiled in 326 A.H.) gives two `Ahadith' that Imam Hasan divorced very much.

    Then comes Abu Talib Makki (380 A.H.) who thought that 70 was not consistent with 'marrying a woman one day and divorcing another tomorrow'; so he increased the number to 250; still his mathematics was not satisfied, so he quoted an unknown source and finally said '300'.

    Lastly comes the French historian, H. Lammens, who writes in 'Shorter Encyclopaedia of Islam':

    "He (Imam Hasan) spent the best part of his youth in making and unmaking marriages; about a hundred are enumerated. (Remember that Mansur had alleged this to happen after the treaty with Mu'awiya in the last ten years of Imam Hasan's life But this 'historian' antidates it to his youth! And so far as enumeration is concerned, only 14 are enumerated, not 100 as he alleges.) These easy morals earned him the title mitlak 'the divorcer' and involved `Ali in severe enmities." (Now, on what authority this 'historian' has made this fantastic assertion? No evidence can be produced to support this allegation.)
    In another place he writes: that Imam Hasan proved that he was very extravagant. He built separate houses for all those wives; each had her retinue of servants and attendants. Even during the Khilafat of `Ali when there was hardship and strict financial control, he used to spend money in the same way.

    Did Rev. H. Lammens produce even a fabricated Hadith or report to show that Imam Hasan had built separate houses for all those (100!) wives with all the paraphernalia which he so willingly enumerates? The answer is 'NO'. It is just the product of his fertile imagination. It is these people who take upon themselves the task of producing 'authentic' history of Islam for the receptive minds of Westerners!

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  6. the writer is unaware of what he is qouting, these traditions are narrated in Sunni books as well, but the difference that the Shia doesn't believe in these traditions, while the Sunnis authenticate it!!!

    Tarikh Dimashq, volume 13, page 249
    قال علي يا أهل الكوفة لا تزوجوا الحسن بن علي فإنه رجل مطلاق فقال رجل من همدان والله لنزوجنه فما رضي امسك وما كره طلق
    Ali said:"O people of Kufa, do not arrange marriage with al Hasan, for indeed he is a man who constantly divorces." So a man from Hamdan stood up then said: "Rather, by Allah (swt) we will definitely arrange marriage with him, so if he wishes he may keep and if he wishes he may divorce."


    Menhaj al-Sunnah, by Ibn Taymia, volume 4, page 470
    فإنه كان مطلاقا لا يدوم مع امرأة
    he was a man of constantly divorce, he never keeps a woman


    Syar alam alnubala, by Dahabi, volume 3, page 253
    وكان منكاحا مطلاقا تزوج نحوا من سبعين امرأة
    he was a man of constantly marriage and divorce, he married around seventy woman




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  7. Salam brother,

    I think you're getting confused. I am not a sunni, I am a Shia.

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  8. Really? And what kind of a pathetic 'shia' will make such a disgraceful post to mock Imam Hasan. Have some shame and just admit who you are.

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    1. I don't think brother bhooka is in any way mocking Imam Hasan. Just because these ahadith show that Imam Hasan did not act according to what is considered moral these days, does not mean that he was wrong. We ourselves should need to stop considering popular culture to be the ideal standard, and instead do as our Imams did.

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  9. Not true. X said to y who told z A heard from B and he passed it to C who in turn told D....

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