Wednesday 2 October 2013

Jabar ibn Hayyan, the chemist, a student of Imam Ja'far al Sadiq (as)?

This article is divided into four sections:

1)  Determining whether the infallibles (as) actually had advanced knowledge of natural sciences (in fact anything which is not directly related to Islamic issues)?

2) What did the Shia mutaqaddamin (the classical scholars) say about Jaber ibn al Hayyan?

3) On what basis do latter Shia clerics claim that Jaber ibn Hayyan was a student of Imam Ja'fer al Sadiq (as)?

4) Examining one of the famous earliest sources which mention Jaber ibn Hayyan (most importantly, what does it actually say)?

5) Investigating the claim that Jaber ibn Hayyan's studentship of Imam Ja'far al Sadiq (as) is a unanimous view of all Muslims, and upheld by major sunni scholars and historians (please note, this article is only concerned with academic scholarly view, examination of lay people views is beyond scope due to irrelevance)

Important note: This article has not dealt with the views of each individual orientalist scholar (such as Donaldson etc) who have written about Jaber but without providing solid sources or at the very best citing same original sources which have been examined in themselves in this article, to avoid digression and repetition. Similarly, the views of some strict rijali scholars, such as Ayatullah Shaikh Hussain al Radhy who believes in the view of Jaber being a student of Imam al Sadiq (as), have been ignored for individual consideration as they are based on the same sources which have been examined in this article. Same applies for all other clerics.

Did the infallibles (as) even have knowledge of natural sciences?

'Al Ijtihad' by Ayatullah Fadlullah, Page 240 (Arabic page posted at bottom of the post)

'As for what is the extent of their (the infallibles) knowledge, so that is a separate issue (apart from their infallibility). There are scholars who say that the infallibles do not have the knowledge of ghaib, for Syed al Murtada and a large group of our classical scholars believed that the Prophet (pbuh) and the Imams (as) do not have any knowledge other than what they have been assigned to preach in terms of religious teachings and jurisprudence. As for other fields of knowledge such as physics and chemistry, so those are fields which they (the infallibles) did not have any knowledge of.'

ويقول الشيخ الطوسي أيضاً في كتابه المذكور: «ولم نوجب أن يكون [الإمام] عالماً بما لا تعلُّق له بالأحكام الشرعية

Shaikh Tusi wrote in his book Talkhis al Shafi (Volume 1 page 252): "It is not wajib for the Imam to have any knowledge of things which are not directly related to Islamic laws.  

What did the early Shia rijal scholars say about Jaber b. Hayyan? 

أعيان الشيعة - السيد محسن الأمين - ج ١ - الصفحة ٦٦٩

A'yan al Shia by Ayatullah Muhsin al Amin, Volume 1 Page 669

  لم يذكر أحد من أصحابنا الذين ألفوا في رجال الشيعة وأصحاب الأئمة كالطوسي والنجاشي ومن عاصرهم أو تقدمهم أو تأخر عنهم جابر بن حيان من تلاميذ الصادق ولا من أصحابه ولا ذكروه في رجال الشيعة وهم أعرف بهذا الشأن من غيرهم

None of our rijal scholars such as Shaikh Tusi and Shaikh Najashi, neither their contemporary scholars or their predecessors and successors, ever mentioned that Jabir bin Hayyan was a student of Imam Ja'far al Sadiq (as) or his companion. Neither did any of our early rijal scholars include him in the list of shia rijal, and these scholars knew better about this issue than anyone else.

'Imam al Sadiq and the four madhabs' by Ayatullah Asad Haydar, Page 445 (Arabic page posted at bottom of the post)

'Some scholars are of the view that Jaber ibn Hayyan is just a fictitious character, and the name is a fabrication, invented by the authors in this field (i.e. chemistry/alchemy). They support this view by the fact that while the personality of Jaber ibn Hayyan is supposed to be great, yet there is no mention of him at all in Arabic history.' 

What are the sources which mention Jaber b. Hayyan, upon which the modern shia clerics base their information?

 معجم رجال الحديث - السيد الخوئي - ج ٤ - الصفحة ٣٢٨

Mu'jam Rijal al Hadith by Ayatullah Khoei, Volume 4 Page 328

 جابر بن حيان:
الصوفي الطرسوسي، أبو موسى من مشاهير أصحابنا القدماء، كان عالما بالفنون الغريبة وله مؤلفات كثيرة أخذها من الصادق عليه السلام، وقد تعجب غير واحد من عدم تعرض الشيخ والنجاشي لترجمته، وقد كتب في أحواله وذكر مؤلفاته كتب عديدة من أراد الاطلاع عليها فليراجعها، قال جرجي زيدان في مجلة الهلال على ما حكي عنه: " أنه من تلامذة الصادق عليه السلام، وإن أعجب شئ عثرت عليه في أمر الرجل أن الأوروبيين اهتموا بأمره أكثر من المسلمين والعرب، وكتبوا فيه وفي مصنفاته تفاصيل، وقالوا إنه أول من وضع أساس الشيمي الجديد وكتبه في مكاتبهم كثيرة، وهو حجة الشرقي على الغربي إلى أبد الدهر

 Jabir b. Hayyan is one of the famous classical scholars. He was an expert in rare fields of knowledge, and he has many works which he compiled by gaining knowledge from Imam Ja'far al Sadiq (as). Many scholars have been surprised due to lack of any mention of him at all by Shaikh Tusi and Shaikh Najashi.

Many books have been written about him and his works, one who wishes to know further should refer to them. Jurji Zaydan (a secular Lebanese novelist and journalist from a Christian family, who also briefly became a free mason) wrote in his magazine 'al Hilal': "He was from the students of Imam Ja'far al sadiq (as), and the most surprising thing I have seen  about him is that the Europeans have given more importance to him than the Muslims and the Arabs themselves. They have written detailed works about him and his books, and they say that he is the first one to establish the foundations of modern alchemy (practical chemistry) and their libraries contain many of his books. He is the hujjah for the East over the West till the end of times."

 تنقيح المقال للعلامة المامقاني ,الجزء الرابع عشر ::: 16 ـ 30

 Tanqihul Maqal by Allama Mamqani, Volume 14 Page 26


حصيلة البحث
    أقول : إنّ موضوع رجال الشيخ والنجاشي هو ترجمة وذكر رواة الشيعة وليس موضوع كتابهما ذكر المخترعين والفلاسفة والشعراء أو غيرهم من أرباب العلوم ، ولعله لهذا لم يذكرا المعنون ، فتفطّن.
    وقد عنونه وترجم له ابن النديم في فهرسته وابن خلكان وغيرهما ؛ لأنّ موضوع تآليفهم أعمّ من الرواة وغيرهم

The bottomline is that the topic of Rijal al Tusi and Rijal al Najashi is to deal with the biographies of Shia narrators of ahadith. Their topic is not to deal with inventors, philosophers, poets or scholars from other fields of knowledge, so perhaps that is why they did not mention him, so think about it.

Ibn al Nadim (385 AH), Ibn al Khalikan (a latter shafi'i scholar) and others did list him because the topic of their books was more encompassing than just narrators of hadith and others.

As Ibn al Nadim is one of the  earliest sources which mention Jaber b. Hayyan, who exactly is Ibn al Nadim?

معجم رجال الحديث - السيد الخوئي - ج ١٦ - الصفحة ٧٢

Mu'jam Rijal al Hadith by Ayatullah Koei, Volume 16 Page 72

- محمد بن إسحاق أبي يعقوب النديم:
أبو الفرج صاحب الفهرست المعروف بفهرست ابن النديم، ذكره النجاشي في ترجمة بندار بن محمد بن عبد الله.
وقد نقل عن فهرسته الشيخ الطوسي - قدس سره - في الفهرست في موارد، منها: ترجمة داود بن أبي زيد (285).
أقول: الظاهر أن الرجل من العامة، وإلا لترجمه النجاشي والشيخ في كتابيهما، ولم يثبت وثاقته أيضا، فإن مجرد نقل النجاشي والشيخ عنه لا يدل على وثاقته

 Muhammd b. Ishaq abi Ya'qoob al Nadim: Abu Faraj, author of the book 'Al Fhrist' which is famous as 'Fihrist ibn al Nadim'. Shaikh Najashi mentioned him in the biography of Bindar b. Muhammd b. Abdullah. Shaikh Tusi also quoted from his Fihrist (i.e. Fihrist ibn al Nadim) in his Fihrist (i.e. Fihrist al Tusi), including in the biography of Dawood b. abi Zaid.

I (i.e. Ayatullah Khoei) say: "It is apparent that this man (Ibn al Nadim) is from the 'aama, and other than him being mentioned by Najashi and Tusi in their rijal books, his reliability is also not established, because after all just a mere quotation of him by Najashi and Tusi does not prove his reliability."

المفيد من معجم رجال الحديث - محمد الجواهري - الصفحة ٤٩٨

'Al Mufid min Mu'jam Rijal al Hadith' by Shaikh Jawahiri, page 498

محمد بن إسحاق أبي يعقوب النديم: أبو الفرج صاحب الفهرست المعروف بفهرست ابن النديم - عامي - مجهول

 Muhammd b. Ishaq abi Ya'qoob al Nadim: Abu Faraj, author of the book 'Al Fhrist' which is famous as 'Fihrist ibn al Nadim'. A majhool aami.

Regardless of Ibn al Nadim being a majhool 'aami, what did he actually say about Jaber b. Hayyan?

وجاء في "الفهرست" لابن النديم: ((هو أبو عبد الله جابر بن حيان بن عبد الله الكوفي المعروف بالصوفي واختلف الناس في أمره فقالت الشيعة أنه من كبارهم وأحد الأبواب وزعموا أنه كان صاحب جعفر الصادق رضي الله عنه وكان من أهل الكوفة

Ibn al Nadim wrote in al Fihrist (page 435): He is (his full name is) Abu Abdullah Jaber b. Hayyan b. Abdullah al Kufi, better known as the sufi. The people have differed about his affair. The Shia claim that he is one of their greats and one of the 'baab', and they believe that he was a companion of Imam Jafer al Sadiq (ra) and a resident of Kufa.

 What do sunni scholars and historians say about Jaber ibn al Hayyan?

سيرالأعلام والمشهورين في العرب صنعة كانت متداولة بين الكتاب والوراقين.و أشهر هؤلاء على الإطلاق هو أبو عثمان الجاحظ 150-255هـ / 767 -869 م. فإننا لا نجد عنده ذكرا لعالم في الكيمياء اسمه جابر بن حيان

Recording the biographies of scholars and famous people in the Arab world was a popular trade among the writers and compilers, among whom the most well known by far is Abu Uthman al Jahiz (150-255 AH / 767-869 AD). But we do not find any mention from him of a chemist named Jaber bin Hayyan.

 مجموع فتاوى ابن تيمية - (ج 7 / ص 59)

وَأَمَّا جَابِرُ بْنُ حَيَّانَ صَاحِبُ الْمُصَنَّفَاتِ الْمَشْهُورَةِ عِنْدَ الْكِيمَاوِيَّةِ فَمَجْهُولٌ لَا يُعْرَفُ وَلَيْسَ لَهُ ذِكْرٌ بَيْنَ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ وَلَا بَيْنَ أَهْلِ الدِّينِ

Collection of Ibn al Taymiyyah's fatawa (Volume 7 page 59): "As for Jaber ibn Hayyan, author of works that are famous among chemists, is a majhool person. He is unknown and there is no mention found of him among the people of knowledge and religion." 

'Al Ijtihad' by Ayt Fadlullah, Page 240

'Imam al Sadiq and the four madhabs' by Ayt Asad Haydar, Page 445

26 comments:

  1. So in your twisted mind, neither did the imams know physics, chemistry while school children can know it, nor was jabar ibne hayan a student of iamam jafar sadiq??? so all our scholars and lecturers were wrong for all these years while you are enlightened enough to have dug out this precious secret? Seriously who the f*ck do you thing you are you idotic twerp!?

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    1. Learn some manners bro, this is an islamic blog. Its ok if you disagree with bhooka's views, but state your counter views in an academic manner then.

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  2. Good research brother.

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  3. Yawn. Usual propaganda post by the 'researcher' bhooka lol.

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    1. You still didnt learn your lesson, did you? Have you now bothered to look for who Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani is? First gain some knowledge, then come here.

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    3. So Mr enlightened one, do you also also believe like your master Mr bhooka that the Imams didnt even know physics and chemistry??! So even ordinary high school and university students are more knowledgeable than the imams?

      Seriously, you guys need to stop worshiping this nasibi pig bhooka. Your cult is seriously deviated.

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    4. Ordinary Studens and University students also know about the engine of planes. Did Imams (as) know about engines of planes and its technology?
      Bringt some Ahadith as proof or be quite.

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  4. Assalaamualeykum Brother Bhooka, It seems Statement that Imam didn't have Knowledge of Physic and Chemistry is doubtful, first sermon of Nahjulbalagah shows how Imam describe creation of Earth.And this contradict authentic hadeeth from Imam where narrators ask Imam , what happen If you come across some question which you have no knowledge. Imam replied then Holy Spirit would Inspire us with that Knowledge. Imam didn't said we are limited to Islamic Laws. And brother If you have any hadeeth to support your claim about Imam being aware of Physic and Chemistry knowledge then please present here.And Yes, I too have research about Jabir ibn Hayyan, he is Majhool is Shia Books. Wa aleykumsalaam.

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    1. I mean Unaware, i wrote aware by mistake.

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    2. Yes, The Almighty One is able to do all things. And He would not do things only half way or choose someone who is so devoted to Him and to honour in such a way and then leave them be when they are seeking knowledge from Him.

      Many accounts exist of many instances of the chosen honoured people (may The and their Most Beloved One send peace and blessings upon them) showcasing having knowledge that was not else available and that has only been explored as of much later time and hundreds of years later.
      Would we not have to address every single one of them?

      Remember the prayer of Prophet Ibrahim (may peace and blessings be upon him)?

      I do not know why people try to deny the blessings of The Almighty and The Most Generous One.

      The All Powerful One is not intimidated by the critics though. It is only a further sign of His Exalted State.
      And His friends are not in grief over the accusators and neglecters of them. For their Friend is The Best of Friends and The Strongest and Most Wise Protecing Guardian Lord.

      We know from early on that even someone who prostrates themselves to The Most High One, is ready to disobey His decision in appointing and honouring whom He pleases, how He pleases.

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  5. If jaber bin hayyan was not Imam Jafar Sadiq's student then why do all scholars officially agree on it? Do you know better than hawza graduated scholars? You yourself say you dont have any formal islamic academic qualification, then why do you keep issuing your silly fatwas left right and center???? For sensible people, please watch this helpful video about jabar bin hayan:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItWhZbBqT4

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  6. Assalaamu `Alaykum,

    From my research of Jaabir b. Hayyaan, I believe he is a fictitious character made by the Isma'ilis / Sufis.

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  7. Wa 'alaykum Salam. If he's a fictious character, who wrote his books, and why does he mention himself in his books being a student of Imam Sadiq (as) ?

    And if Imam (as) did not have knowledge of sciences, then, who wrote Tawhid Al Mufaddal, hadith Ihlilaja and how come they answered scientifics and doctors coming from India and other countries... ? We have many sources in shia books of ahadith ?

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    1. While he may not necessarily be a fictitious character, that doesn't make him a student of Imam al Sadiq (as) and a great chemist. The classical shia rijal AND history scholars have made no mention of him. Mamqani has opined that the rijal scholars like tusi and najashi didnt mention him because the purpose of their books was to list shia hadith narrators and their books, whereas Jaber didn't fall in this category. But the problem is that the shia historians such as Mas'oodi and Ya'qoobi also do not mention him.

      As for the 'aami sources, Ibn al Nadim asserts that he was a real person (not a fictitious character) who wrote books, but does not really mention that he was Imam al Sadiq's student. As for latter 'aama, like Ibn Taymiyya, he dismisses Jaber as being a majhool person. As for his books, neither do the books mention that he was a student of Imam al Sadiq (as) nor are the books reliably attributed to the fabled Jaber ibn Hayyan. All the current books circulated in his name, are said to be the work of pseudo-geber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81bir_ibn_Hayy%C4%81n#The_Geber_problem). It was beyond the scope of this article to elaborate on this aspect therefore I had skipped this issue.

      Lastly, as for books/hadith like Tawheed al Mufaddal and hadith of halila (both books are found on the internet bible of cafeteria shias, al-islam.org), both are completely unreliable narrations (not found at all in our primary classical sources) and it isn't far off to say that they are complete fabrications. Another famous book is "Superman in Islam" (if you know Urdu, as it is an urdu book), which is supposedly a compilation of the 'research' undertaken by French scientists to put to test the 'scientific theories' of Imam al Sadiq (and supposedly all the theories stood their tests.......but for some reason none of the scientists accepted his imamah...), needless to say the contents of that book have been plucked from thin air.

      So all in all, there is no evidence whatsoever in shia books of ahadith that the Imams ever answered scientists and doctors from India and other regions. One thing to note though, is that on this blog only the reliable classical hadith books (or latter works based on classical books) are considered 'shia books of ahadith', so favourite narrations/books of cafeteria shias like tawheed al mufaddal, nahjul balaghah, misbahul shariah, nade ali, hadith al kisa etc etc automatically get thrown out of the window.

      Wassalam

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    2. Your criteria of reliability are based on 'ilm ar-rijâl, which you just rejected on this post : http://realtashayyu.blogspot.fr/2012/02/ilm-al-rijal-in-shiaism.html

      Almost all ahadith that are mentioned in "reliable classical hadith books" have flaws, following this absurd sciences taken from Ahlul Sunna.

      Only a good knowledge of Quran and Sunna of Ahlul Bayt (as) are the tools for verifying the authenticity of ahadith, as it has been clearly specified by 14 Ma'soumins (as)

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    3. If they based it on what they rejected then that really would be a good point on your side.

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  8. Sayed Zafar Abbas21 October 2013 at 22:00

    Is it a coincidence or what, that most if not all muqassirs are fadlullah followers?

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    1. I highly doubt that bhooka is a fadlullah follower.

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  9. The Quran comes from Allah and contains a description of all created things, ie universe, stars, earth, seas, plants, animals, human beings (which are studied by diverse sciences like astronomy, biology, ...)

    The Prophet (saws) and Ahlul Bayt (as) have been sent to humanity to clarify the Quran and give details on each verse. Therefore they MUST have knowledge of all things, and not only on fiqh : halal, haram, ...

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  10. Such a preposterous reflection of prejudice.
    Why is it so hard for people to accept the superiority of imams(A.S)?

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  11. Even if Jabir ibn Hayyan didn't exist, how can you prove the Imams (عليهم السلام) didn't have knowledge of chemistry or physics?

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  12. If you do not wish to be with them

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